Why They Call it Homo Phobia

There are a number of issues that arise around the notion of sexuality and gender that, honestly, could use a healthy debate. Issues like should a Church be allowed to practice discrimination? (4Simpsons):

4. Apparently churches shouldn’t be able to discipline according to the Bible

A gay Christian who won a claim against the Church of England has been awarded more than £47,000 in compensation. John Reaney took the Hereford diocesan board of finance to an employment tribunal after his appointment as a youth worker was blocked.

Or the possibly competing comfort levels of trans-gendered folks and women:

3. You’re transphobic if you oppose letting people go in the bathroom of their choosing. If your young daughter wonders why the bearded guy in the dress is in the women’s room, accuse her of hate speech.

But that really isn’t possible for some folks, and Neil disappoints by joining their ranks. His positions and conclusions reek of hysteria:

Political perspective: These folks have successfully infiltrated churches, the education establishment and government. It is only going to get worse if “civil unions” are approved more broadly, because they establish a precedent for sexual preferences being civil rights.

This is the old “the world is going to end if we recognize the equality of gay people” argument. And hey folks, its true, just look at the smoking hole in the ground where Massachusetts used to be. God totally zapped that heathen state. (Emphasis mine):

2. Judges: ‘Gay’ exposure OK for kindergarteners

As WND reported in 2006, U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf dismissed the civil rights lawsuit by David and Tonia Parker of Lexington, concluding there is an obligation for public schools to teach young children to accept and endorse homosexuality.

Is he kidding? Endorse? From Wing Nut Daily (emphasis mine):

In a case that could wind up in the U.S. Supreme Court, an appeals panel upheld dismissal of a lawsuit by Massachusetts parents seeking to prevent discussion of homosexual families in their children’s elementary school classrooms.

They don’t even want to talk about homosexual families. Your personal faith can be bigoted I suppose, but that is just denying reality. (emphasis mine)

“Public schools,” wrote Judge Sandra L. Lynch, “are not obliged to shield individual students from ideas which potentially are religiously offensive, particularly when the school imposes no requirement that the student agree with or affirm those ideas, or even participate in discussions about them.

I guess these parents will opt to keep their kids home to school, where they may remain shielded and dumb to the outside world. Sandra Lynch is absolutely correct in her opinion. Note that last part. How does an optional discussion of the existence of homosexual parents constitute either endorsement or even acceptance? Thats just dishonest.

4. Apparently churches shouldn’t be able to discipline according to the Bible

A gay Christian who won a claim against the Church of England has been awarded more than £47,000 in compensation. John Reaney took the Hereford diocesan board of finance to an employment tribunal after his appointment as a youth worker was blocked.

This is an interesting case. Should Christian Identity churches be allowed to keep people of color from working for them? (Frankly, stunts like these are just another reason for removing the tax-exempt status of Churches). As an employer, why should they be allowed to discriminate while secular employers cannot? Why should Churches operate above the law?

Unfortunately there are some interesting issues to discuss here, without getting frantic.

1, Christian photographer hauled before Human Rights Commission for refusing same-sex job. I wish it would have been a Muslim photographer. That would have made it more interesting.

“I wish it would have been a Muslim photographer”? Wow. It would have been every bit as heinous. Why stop at photography? Why not allow hotels to ban gay customers, or restaurants to refuse to server LGBT individuals? What’s even more disturbing is the couple’s insistence (it was actually a couple who owned a small photography business, if you read past the headline) that this was “communicating a message”. It was a marriage. They wanted pictures for their album. This just heads back to the Christianist hysteria that the Gays are trying to spread homosexuality.

Neil ends on a positive note with a quote from his favorite holy book (which is faultless and dictated by God, btw):

Matthew 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

That’s beautiful Neil. That’s effectively calling for the Lexington school district, teachers, gay rights advocates, lawyers in the case, and the judges along the way who affirmed those rights, to be killed. Neil has crossed the line that divides bigotry and hate, and done so with an eliminationist flourish.

UPDATE:  A commentor at 4Simpsons, one “Bubba”, has invited folks who comment here to journey on over and offer their opinions right into the gnashing teeth of the beast.  (It seems the fundies don’t like coming over to play on the liberal /rational side of the fence, Neil and Theobromophile excluded).

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13 Responses

  1. Homophobia is fear of ones own sexuality. For the truth about gay marriage check out our trailer. Produced to educate & defuse the controversy it has a way of opening closed minds & provides some sanity on the issue: http://www.OUTTAKEonline.com

  2. Charlotte,
    I’ve seen the trailer. It looks excellent (the part about legislators desperately believing they weren’t prejudiced was particularly illuminating). I wonder to what degree a fear of one’s owns sexuality plays a role. I think in some cases, the fear grows out of the relationship one has with one’s religion, and one’s religion with society.

  3. It’s always a shame when people desire so vehemently to take away their fellow humans’ rights, dignity, and identity. Fear is at the heart of it, and Power feeds on Fear and Fear on Power like a two-headed snake devouring itself.

    Perhaps a bit dramatic there, but it is a sad subject.

    “Give me liberty or give me death!” We all deserve to be free.

  4. Erik,
    Hear hear! (Does fear feed on the same power it feeds? Thats an interesting proposition…)

  5. Unfortunately, that blog, like much of contemporary American “Christianity”, is obsessed with homosexuality. I suppose that this really was inevitable after a century of having the “communist” as the evil boogey man. Some group needed to replace the sacrificial lamb.

    It just pains me deeply to see that these people are so consumed with their hate and arrogance that they attempt to shove their religion into our public schools. The effect these efforts are having on gay and lesbian adolescents is devastating.

  6. Sarah,
    It pains me too. How awful to know while growing up that a very vocal group of people hate you for something you cannot control, and that what should be one of the best parts of life is instead tainted with feelings of guilt and fear by bigots. To say nothing of knowing that upon reaching adulthood, you will not have equality under the law.

  7. Homophobia is a foolish pejorative designed to put anyone who dares question the Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transgender lobby on the defensive. It is a transparently childish put-down, but it actually works to silence many people.

    Ironically, the real homophobes are those who fear the GLBT lobby so much that they cater to all the movement’s demands. They are the ones with the irrational, paralyzing fear of doing or saying something politically incorrect. You see it in political, educational, media and church leaders who will do and say almost anything to appease. It is really quite pathetic.

    Those of us who are comfortable discussing the relative merits of secular and Biblical arguments on GLBT issues aren’t afraid. I get along fine with straights and gays.

    More here: http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/09/12/heterophobia/

  8. I think your misinterpretation of the verse I noted was ironed out over at my place, but just for the record, it was not calling for anyone to be killed or saying they are worthless. It was a clear warning from the King of Kings and Lord of Lords that sin has consequences, and the sin He noted has very serious consequences.

    You all are welcome at my place, of course, with the usual caveats – i.e., no personal attacks (and I won’t let anyone attack you), stay on topic, watch the straw-men, etc.

    I have no fear of this site, of course, and appreciate the link, but I prefer to just debate in one place at a time.

    Most of your arguments self-destruct when you realize that race is morally neutral but sexual behavior is not.

    You really should study the links, especially my last one. I have no issue if people had rational discussions of gays at age appropriate levels. There is much people could learn about the diseases, rectal problems, etc. from that lifestyle.

    I just think that forcing the normalization of the lifestyle on kindergarteners is twisted. Why should schools be teaching that at all?

    Re. the church – we aren’t obsessed with homosexuality. If you want to consider how I spend my time, for example, you’d have to say I was obsessed with mission trips, giving, evangelism, helping the poor, helping women in crisis pregnancies, etc. before you got to my alleged obsession with homosexuality. If the gay lobby weren’t pushing this on kindergarteners we wouldn’t be having this conversation. So who has the obsession?

    Again, comments are welcome at my site. Let the straw-men fly here if you like, as I doubt I’ll have time to make it back.

  9. Of course, Neil, your assertions about “gay behavior” have zero basis in science. In fact, every major professional organization has largely condemned your thinking, knowing that it results in harm for gay and lesbian people. Gay and lesbians do not suffer from a high rate of STDs or other health problems — people who do not practice safe sex suffer from them. BTW, given that lesbians have the LOWEST rate of STDs shouldn’t that “behavior” be encouraged given your logic?

    It is disheartening to hear such hate and irrationality expressed on this blog. Of course, given the trajectory of history your ideology will end up in the dustbin of history. Justice is on the march, and its marching right over those who stand opposed to equality, fairness, and justice. You represent the same group opposed to feminism and I hate to break it to you but the war is over and your group lost.

    BTW, you voting for McCain? Good luck with that. 😉

  10. Neil,
    Thanks for coming to respond on this thread.
    Homophobia is an accurate description, but perhaps homobigotry or gayhate would work better?

    Can you point to people who fear the GLBT lobby? I don’t.
    You must mean the conservatives who cry about the world ending when the spectre of equality rears its head.

    I get along fine with straights and gays.

    Great. Why not oppose interracial marriage and the civil rights act,
    complain that kids are being taught we are all equal regardless of skin color in schools, and then mention “but I have black friends”. Because that is precisely what your hollow argument is saying.

    I think your misinterpretation of the verse I noted was ironed out over at my place, but just for the record, it was not calling for anyone to be killed or saying they are worthless. It was a clear warning from the King of Kings and Lord of Lords that sin has consequences, and the sin He noted has very serious consequences.

    You’ve just supported my interpretation. Those “very serious consequences” you speak of are banishment to hell. And the words in the verse itself speak for itself, even if you do try to interpret them away.

    (As an aside, I rather enjoy debating in more than one place. Different people tend to join in on one side or the other).

    Most of your arguments self-destruct when you realize that race is morally neutral but sexual behavior is not.

    Sexual Behavior between consenting adults is morally neutral. And it is only people who force their religion on society who say otherwise.

    Schools should teach kids to accept (not tolerate, accept) people who are different from them, so they can function when interacting with people in the real world.

    Sarah,
    Justice is on the march, and the medieval logic and hatred espoused by the religious right is cruisin for a bruisin.

    (Heh, nice shot on McCain).

  11. I hope I’m not the only one that finds it curious when Neil posts on “Political Correctness” then writes “Homophobia is a foolish pejorative” in the same post.

    I do appreciate the website Dan. Love the posts, videos and comments. Thanks for posting at Neils to drive me here and find some sanity.

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  13. Ben,
    I find it hilarious.

    Thanks! And sure thing. Its really funny that folks here are brave enough to post in the presence of wingnuts, but aside from Neil, they prefer an echo chamber for their thoughts.

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