J Edgar Hoover and Giuliani

Via NewsCat, this set off some alarms:

Over the holidays there was a little noticed story published about recently declassified papers showing that in July 1950, only a few days after the beginning of the Korean War, J. Edgar Hoover wanted President Truman to round up and detain 12,000 American citizens.

Who was he targeting?  Does anyone want to be it was suspected communists?  Think of how close we came in recent history to the mass arrest of American citizens on the basis of political beliefs.

Now, couple that with two particular notes about Rudy Giuliani:

If elected Giuliani would extend the already power mad style of the Bush administration to new levels. Glenn Greenwald has the scoop:

Over the weekend, it was revealed by National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru that Rudy Giuliani believes that, as President, he would have the power to imprison American citizens without any sort of review of any kind, and Giuliani stated he hoped to exercise that power only “infrequently”


Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

Some say history repeats itself.  Combine a Giuliani Presidency with that history and the rising tide in eliminationist rhetoric, and we have an instant recipe for an oppressive tyranny on a massively tragic scale.  This time there would be no President to turn down J Edgar Giuliani’s request.  Giuliani would be the President.  A President who’s view of executive power extends ever further than George W Bush.


6 Responses

  1. And you have a problem with RP wanting to do away with that sort of organized crime? If it’s always been all about security and giving up rights for it then why did we pay such a price on 911? Is the price for it going to be a lot higher? Remember to look at the members of the CFR. Really think long and hard why we still haven’t built a border fence. The Patriot Act is no brain child of Bush’s. To quote Scotty the stereotyped Scotsman “He hasn’t got the power captain” (thick brogue accent)

    Guess who supported the patriot act? Guess who’s a member of the CFR that Dick Cheney was the chair for? http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5140898

    Hilary Clinton “yea” member CFR
    Barak Obama “yea” member CFR
    John Edwards “yea” (co authored) member CFR
    Chris Dodd “yea” member CFR
    Rudy Guliani “yea” member CFR
    Mitt Romney “yea” member CFR
    John McCain “yea” member CFR
    Fred Thompson “yea” member CFR

    Look into it the connections are there and they are all culpable.

  2. I’m not going to get into a pissing match about it I’ll provide a link. Research it for yourself.


    Yeup I’m crazy like a fox.

    “At this point I’d offer a word to the wise but I fear I’d have no audience.”

  3. I think my first post got grabbed by your spam software…

  4. Hey Dan,

    Thanks for the link! 🙂

  5. So can anyone elaborate their thoughts on the connection of the CFR, and all politicians in the race? Or am I being paranoid? Also if this Hoover thing has got you heated what of the connection to voting for the patriot act enabling these sort of offenses to happen today?

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